If you’ll allow me to put on my tinfoil hat for a moment, I have to say that I’m amused at the controversy surrounding the ABC “docudrama” The Path To 9/11. The controversy is about the movie not being truthful to the 9/11 Commission Report. The irony I see is that the 9/11 Report isn’t truthful to begin with.
Kerosene fires don’t melt steel buildings. There have been many raging fires in skyscrapers before the World Trade Center fires. Never have they caused a building to collapse. Certainly none were ever pulverized into dust. September 11 changed everything.
The black boxes were supposedly never found, yet a pristine passport allegedly belonging to one of the hijackers miraculously is discovered untouched on the sidewalk. How does this happen? September 11 changed everything.
People don’t want to believe their government at best was criminally negligent and at worst was criminally complicit in this tragedy. Why has no one lost their job because of this? If our Secretary of Defense is charged with, well, defending us, why isn’t he in a soup kitchen line by now? This just doesn’t make sense.
People believe what they want to believe. More importantly, people don’t believe what they don’t want to believe. Knowing what I’ve come to know about how things work, I am long past the point of taking my government at its word. I may not have all the answers to what took place five years ago, I just know what I’m being told isn’t it.
Where there’s smoke, there’s usually fire.
Ah….sounds like another conspiracy theory to me. I guess these days if something is hard to understand, then it must just be a conspiracy to hide the truth. I actually think that Kermit the Frog was involved with Jimi Hendrix on this one…or maybe Elvis. As for your two above points, they don’t seem to be that unrealistic…so let me give them a shot.
First off, there have been many fires in high-rise buldings and I do not remember any of the buildings collapsing. But then again, I don’t remember any large, fully-fueled jet liners being crashed into the sides of the buildings either. I would think that a jet would cause a significant amount of structural damage to anything it hit at that speed, weakening the framing enough to cause a collapse. Actually, I saw something two or three years ago on the Discovery Channel where the original WTC architects expained it..it was called “Analysis of a Collapse” or something like that…they explained it in detail and it made sense to me.
As for point two, it does make perfect sense that a black box could not have been recovered where a passport was. On the NBC news last night, there was a segment on some of the rubble that was in an airport hangar at JFK airport. In the story there was a block of twisted metal about the size of a car that represented four entire floors of the World Trade Center. Maybe one of the boxes was melted into this chunk? As for the passport, the impact of the plane could have caused something as small as a passport to flying out of the building. I remember vividly watching thousands of papers falling from the windows of the WTC when the towers were still standing and many of these papers ended up blocks away in good condition.
Explained or unexplained, it was five years ago. I think that instead of pushing blame around (Clinton, Bush, Rumsfeld, the CIA) we all ought to be blaming the people who flew the planes…the terrorists. But that is just my opinion….
First off, in the strictest sense of the word the attacks involve a conspiracy: whether it is the 19 hijackers colluding or Bush and Cheney. So lets get beyond the “conspiracy” label for a moment.
The buildings were built to withstand the impact of a Boeing 707. The 707’s flight characteristics and weight compare very favorably to a 767. If the building could withstand a hit from a 707, it should have withstood a hit from a 767. Check out a factual comparison of a 767 with a 707:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/boeing_707_767.html
Yeah, if you think its possible that a paper doocument escaped a raging fire so hot it melted the nearly-indestructable black box and brought down an entire skyscraper, I suppose Kermit might as well be involved. I just don’t think either is very likely. Just sayin’.
Now take a look at what a fully-fueled airliner looks like when it hits an immovable object. NASA did just such a test in 1984 to test fuel additives:
Controlled Impact Demonstration
http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/movie/CID/index.html
What happens is the fuel vaporizes in a nice fireball and the wings get clipped off like toothpicks. Why weren’t the wings sheared off of the September 11th planes?
Oh, and this also demonstrates piloting a jetliner by remote control. I wonder where that might come in handy.
I’d like to believe terrorists with only rudimentary flight skills expertly piloted these commercial aircraft into buildings, completely stymying our air defenses in spite of multiple warnings that just such a thing would happen. I’d like to believe its a coincidence that those “prosecuting” this War on Terra happen to have large stock holdings in oil and defense conglomerates. I’d like to think its a coincidence this attack occured after a failed coup in Venezuela (an oil-rich country like Iraq) that had the CIA’s fingerprints all over it. I’d like to believe its a coincidence that the Bin Laden family are close friends with the Bush family.
But its not likely.
Oh my god. Some people just have too much time on their hands. Conspiracy thoeries about Bush and Cheney wanting to kill thousands of people so their oil stocks go up. I have now heard it all. I just didn’t think that rational people beleived all that crap. Wow.
Mark,
I have looked at the vidoes in the link provided and cannot see where the wings were “clipped like toothpicks”.
Do I understand you to believe that Bush/Cheney had someone remotely fly all 4 aircraft on that terrible day? Whoever was in charge of the one in Pennsylvania needed more practice. What about the recorded phone calls from the planes? All a set up? Never really happened? I guess the family members on the other end of some of the phone calls were paid off by Bush/Cheney with all of the profits from the oil companies.
You are a very intelligent guy. Think about this for a minute!!
Todd
Search the Internets for “Operation Northwoods.” Crashing planes in a “false flag” operation is not a new idea.
It is technically impossible, for all practical purposes, to make mobile phone calls from an airliner. Phones cannot lock onto a tower miles below them. Perhaps AirFone could’ve been used, but any claim that a mobile phone made such a call is pure fiction.
The Pennsylvania plane is suspect for the mere reason that one engine was found over a mile away from the primary crash site. Planes being flown into the ground don’t do this.
As for the plane in the NASA video, you are correct. The posts in that test were acting as cutters, designed only to set the fuel on fire for the test.
I’ll try to find another video to prove my point.
You are, of course, twisting what I said. I do very definitely think this was an “inside job.” The motives are not entirely clear.
I also don’t expect anyone to agree with my interpretation, and that’s fine. I’m not pushing this on anyone. But if you ask me what I think I’ll tell it like I see it. And I believe that thousands of Americans may have been murdered by our government to advance some yet unknown goal. Am I smoking crack? Possibly, but I’ll take that chance.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on subjects such as this. I personally think you are way off base here. Maybe I am wrong. I just see a whole lot of “secret conspiracy theories” out there about many subjects. In 99% of the cases they are complete bullsh*t.
I had one of these conversations two years ago with a client of mine who was sure that Hurricane Charley (that hit the Florida west coast) was a government coverup. She heard something on the radio about it and was convinced that the government somehow altered the track of the hurricane at the last moment so it hit Punta Gorda and not Tampa. According to her “theory”, the abrupt easterly movement of the storm right before landfall was orchestrated to avoid the economic center of Tampa and re-directed to Punta Gorda, which is a poorer area. I don’t know anyone in their right mind who would support this “rather odd” theory, but there are people out there who think it’s true.
We can agree to disagree. I don’t expect anyone else to agree with me, either. Frankly, I don’t care. Those attacks are intensely personal for many people and people tend to have very definite ideas about what went on. Let’s all move on.
As for altering hurricanes, the gumint actually looked into doing this, though the research was abandoned in the early-1980’s when it became apparent the colossal amount of energy it would take to affect a hurricane (even a nuke blast in the eye wouldn’t faze it, if I recall correctly). Read more about Project Stormfury.
I don’t believe every hokum story out there, whether offered by a deranged taxi driver or by a government spokesman. I apply critical thinking to every one. I like to think I’ve got a pretty good BS detector. It just so happens that both of the above groups regularly set it off.